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		<title>By: bobg</title>
		<link>http://www.geebobg.com/2007/05/03/the-exegesis-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-5958</link>
		<dc:creator>bobg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you had confined your criticism of my article to the facts and shown a degree of courtesy in doing so, as is routinely done by those whose mothers have given them a proper upbringing, then I would have been only too happy to exercise my administrative prerogative on this blog by withholding your comment from publication while privately making you aware of its errors in fact and judgment.  As it is, since you&#039;ve seen fit to call me an idiot and a jackass in as many words, and indirectly some other unpleasant things too (and incidentally to insult country music fans), I am delighted to indulge in a little public humiliation.

For one thing, you have committed an ironic error in logic.  You appear to equate a mistake in one&#039;s &quot;very first point&quot; with mistakes in the other points that follow.  In fact each point in an argument can be true or false independently of the others.  The ironic part is that your points &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; all independently erroneous.

You find fault with my citing of large numbers to prove greatness.  But I find fault with your finding of any such citation.  None exists in this article.

You misread my complaint about the first line of dialogue, saying &quot;luke calling han by his name doesn&#039;t even remotely qualify&quot; (as &#8220;breaking the fourth wall&#8221;).  A closer reading would have revealed that it&#039;s not Luke&#039;s use of Han&#039;s name but his addition of &quot;old buddy&quot; that I found telling.

As to your main point, the meaning of &quot;breaking the fourth wall,&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_fourth_wall&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the very reference you supply&lt;/a&gt; makes clear that a fictional character addressing the audience directly is merely &lt;em&gt;one example&lt;/em&gt; of breaking the fourth wall:

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The term also applies to the boundary between any fictional setting and its audience. When this boundary is &quot;broken&quot; (&lt;b&gt;for example&lt;/b&gt; by an actor speaking to the audience directly through the camera in a television program or film), it is called &quot;breaking the fourth wall.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(Emphasis added.)  By implication, there are other ways.  This is made more explicit by the definition of breaking the fourth wall that &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; linked to (indirectly, via an intermediate blog post), &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wordspy.com/words/breakingthefourthwall.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from Word Spy&lt;/a&gt;:

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When a fictional character shows awareness of both the medium in which they &quot;exist&quot; and the audience watching (or reading) that medium.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Shows awareness.&quot;  I wrote that Luke speaks a particular line in a particular way that a normal person in a normal setting never would.  The only explanation I can concoct for &lt;i&gt;Empire&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; odd first line of dialogue -- and I&#039;m open to other suggestions that aren&#039;t ad hominem attacks or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;other logical fallacies&lt;/a&gt; -- is that Luke is aware of Han&#039;s long absence &lt;em&gt;from the audience&lt;/em&gt;, which does indeed qualify as breaking the fourth wall.

If it&#039;s all the same to you I&#039;ll continue my blogging career, such as it is.  It may not pay much, but as opportunities to school the likes of you show, there are other rewards besides money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you had confined your criticism of my article to the facts and shown a degree of courtesy in doing so, as is routinely done by those whose mothers have given them a proper upbringing, then I would have been only too happy to exercise my administrative prerogative on this blog by withholding your comment from publication while privately making you aware of its errors in fact and judgment.  As it is, since you&#8217;ve seen fit to call me an idiot and a jackass in as many words, and indirectly some other unpleasant things too (and incidentally to insult country music fans), I am delighted to indulge in a little public humiliation.</p>
<p>For one thing, you have committed an ironic error in logic.  You appear to equate a mistake in one&#8217;s &#8220;very first point&#8221; with mistakes in the other points that follow.  In fact each point in an argument can be true or false independently of the others.  The ironic part is that your points <em>are</em> all independently erroneous.</p>
<p>You find fault with my citing of large numbers to prove greatness.  But I find fault with your finding of any such citation.  None exists in this article.</p>
<p>You misread my complaint about the first line of dialogue, saying &#8220;luke calling han by his name doesn&#8217;t even remotely qualify&#8221; (as &ldquo;breaking the fourth wall&rdquo;).  A closer reading would have revealed that it&#8217;s not Luke&#8217;s use of Han&#8217;s name but his addition of &#8220;old buddy&#8221; that I found telling.</p>
<p>As to your main point, the meaning of &#8220;breaking the fourth wall,&#8221; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_fourth_wall" rel="nofollow">the very reference you supply</a> makes clear that a fictional character addressing the audience directly is merely <em>one example</em> of breaking the fourth wall:</p>
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The term also applies to the boundary between any fictional setting and its audience. When this boundary is &#8220;broken&#8221; (<b>for example</b> by an actor speaking to the audience directly through the camera in a television program or film), it is called &#8220;breaking the fourth wall.&#8221;
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<p>(Emphasis added.)  By implication, there are other ways.  This is made more explicit by the definition of breaking the fourth wall that <em>I</em> linked to (indirectly, via an intermediate blog post), <a href="http://www.wordspy.com/words/breakingthefourthwall.asp" rel="nofollow">from Word Spy</a>:</p>
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When a fictional character shows awareness of both the medium in which they &#8220;exist&#8221; and the audience watching (or reading) that medium.
</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Shows awareness.&#8221;  I wrote that Luke speaks a particular line in a particular way that a normal person in a normal setting never would.  The only explanation I can concoct for <i>Empire&#8217;s</i> odd first line of dialogue &#8212; and I&#8217;m open to other suggestions that aren&#8217;t ad hominem attacks or <a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/" rel="nofollow">other logical fallacies</a> &#8212; is that Luke is aware of Han&#8217;s long absence <em>from the audience</em>, which does indeed qualify as breaking the fourth wall.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s all the same to you I&#8217;ll continue my blogging career, such as it is.  It may not pay much, but as opportunities to school the likes of you show, there are other rewards besides money.</p>
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		<title>By: uranidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.geebobg.com/2007/05/03/the-exegesis-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-5914</link>
		<dc:creator>uranidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, there is no use arguing opinion, everyone is entitled to have one.  also, citing large numbers of fans as evidence of one&#039;s greatness is faulty, just look at country music.  that being said, when someone&#039;s very first point used to support their opinion instead reveals their own ignorance of the subject, that someone obviously thinks they&#039;re smarter than they truly are.  the fourth wall, jackass, is broken when an actor speaks directly to the audience.  luke calling han by his name doesn&#039;t even remotely qualify.  you need to re-think your career as a blogger.

uranidiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_fourth_wall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, there is no use arguing opinion, everyone is entitled to have one.  also, citing large numbers of fans as evidence of one&#8217;s greatness is faulty, just look at country music.  that being said, when someone&#8217;s very first point used to support their opinion instead reveals their own ignorance of the subject, that someone obviously thinks they&#8217;re smarter than they truly are.  the fourth wall, jackass, is broken when an actor speaks directly to the audience.  luke calling han by his name doesn&#8217;t even remotely qualify.  you need to re-think your career as a blogger.</p>
<p>uranidiot.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_fourth_wall" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_fourth_wall</a></p>
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		<title>By: jbushnell</title>
		<link>http://www.geebobg.com/2007/05/03/the-exegesis-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-3912</link>
		<dc:creator>jbushnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Force is something that runs in families — if you ain’t got it, that’s too damn bad&lt;/i&gt;

I always hated this, too, for pretty much the same reasons you outline (I like the idea that anyone can &quot;tune in&quot; to the Force with a little concentration and effort).  One of the most hateable things about &lt;i&gt;The Phantom Menace&lt;/i&gt; (and there&#039;s some stiff competition there) is the even-more-explicit linking of the Force to genetics (this terrible business about &quot;midichlorians&quot;).  Sigh.</description>
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<p>I always hated this, too, for pretty much the same reasons you outline (I like the idea that anyone can &#8220;tune in&#8221; to the Force with a little concentration and effort).  One of the most hateable things about <i>The Phantom Menace</i> (and there&#8217;s some stiff competition there) is the even-more-explicit linking of the Force to genetics (this terrible business about &#8220;midichlorians&#8221;).  Sigh.</p>
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