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		<title>Comment on Please please you by bobg</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve missed the point (and in fact there was a bit about codependence in an early draft of this post), but I do see yours, and I should have been clearer: my post is directed at those who do misinterpret the expression the way you thought I did.  (And I believe there are a lot of them.)

I had forgotten all about &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;E-Prime&lt;/a&gt;, thanks for reminding me about it!  And now I have to rewrite the paragraph above:

I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve missed the point (and in fact an early draft of this post did contain a bit about codependence), but I do see yours, and I should have made myself clearer: I directed my post at those who do misinterpret the expression the way you thought I did.  (And I believe that many do.)

&lt;/eprime&gt;

Perhaps the two formulations of the expression in this post should be synthesized like so: &quot;Bring happiness to others, but not at the expense of your own.&quot;  Or in more modern terms, &quot;Place the oxygen mask of happiness over your own mouth and nose first, then assist others around you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve missed the point (and in fact there was a bit about codependence in an early draft of this post), but I do see yours, and I should have been clearer: my post is directed at those who do misinterpret the expression the way you thought I did.  (And I believe there are a lot of them.)</p>
<p>I had forgotten all about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime" rel="nofollow">E-Prime</a>, thanks for reminding me about it!  And now I have to rewrite the paragraph above:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve missed the point (and in fact an early draft of this post did contain a bit about codependence), but I do see yours, and I should have made myself clearer: I directed my post at those who do misinterpret the expression the way you thought I did.  (And I believe that many do.)</p>
<p>&lt;/eprime&gt;</p>
<p>Perhaps the two formulations of the expression in this post should be synthesized like so: &#8220;Bring happiness to others, but not at the expense of your own.&#8221;  Or in more modern terms, &#8220;Place the oxygen mask of happiness over your own mouth and nose first, then assist others around you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Please please you by Vagrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vagrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve completely missed the point of that expression.  It means that you can&#039;t MAKE someone happy.  People can only allow themselves to be happy.  People cling to unhappiness because it is familiar and it allows their egos to flourish and it helps them avoid love, which can be a tricky affair.

  It is fine to be a guide, to help a friend or lover discover how to allow themself to accept happiness.  And once they&#039;ve done that, it is a noble pursuit to bring into their lives the things that make them smile.  And you, Bob, have that in spades, make everyone around you smile.  Doing things for others is the best way to defeat the ego.

  But, “Everyone is responsible for each other’s happiness” is a recipe for codependent behavior which is ultimately destructive.  ‘everyone’s responsible for their own happiness.’ arose out of the ashes of battered wives sacrificing their own lives for their alcoholic and abusive spouses.  I believe you&#039;ve misinterpreted the expression as, &quot;Everyone should focus on their own happiness to the exclusion of others.&quot;

  Remember E-prime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve completely missed the point of that expression.  It means that you can&#8217;t MAKE someone happy.  People can only allow themselves to be happy.  People cling to unhappiness because it is familiar and it allows their egos to flourish and it helps them avoid love, which can be a tricky affair.</p>
<p>  It is fine to be a guide, to help a friend or lover discover how to allow themself to accept happiness.  And once they&#8217;ve done that, it is a noble pursuit to bring into their lives the things that make them smile.  And you, Bob, have that in spades, make everyone around you smile.  Doing things for others is the best way to defeat the ego.</p>
<p>  But, “Everyone is responsible for each other’s happiness” is a recipe for codependent behavior which is ultimately destructive.  ‘everyone’s responsible for their own happiness.’ arose out of the ashes of battered wives sacrificing their own lives for their alcoholic and abusive spouses.  I believe you&#8217;ve misinterpreted the expression as, &#8220;Everyone should focus on their own happiness to the exclusion of others.&#8221;</p>
<p>  Remember E-prime?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thermody-nom-ics by zanblogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>zanblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know every fat person in the world says this, but it really is a gland problem. partly, anyway. and we&#039;ve got the fat genes.

i spent the entire month of january being the picture of perfect health and fitness (in preparation for my punta cana trip). it took me 30 days of serious hardcore work to take off 18 pounds and just 7 days on vacation to put back 5.

sorry, brother, but i fear you have old age and our mom to thank for the increasing difficulty with weight loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know every fat person in the world says this, but it really is a gland problem. partly, anyway. and we&#8217;ve got the fat genes.</p>
<p>i spent the entire month of january being the picture of perfect health and fitness (in preparation for my punta cana trip). it took me 30 days of serious hardcore work to take off 18 pounds and just 7 days on vacation to put back 5.</p>
<p>sorry, brother, but i fear you have old age and our mom to thank for the increasing difficulty with weight loss.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thermody-nom-ics by owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the same experience for 2-3 months before Christmas, although instead of trying to lose a specific amount of weight, I was just trying to reduce the size of my gut some noticeable amount. The general benchmark has always been for someone to ask, &quot;Say, have you lost some weight?&quot; So I went to the gym 3-4 times a week in the mornings before work. It was pretty painful, I&#039;m not much of a morning person, and on most days Catherine got to stay in bed while I got up at 6.

Unfortunately it had little effect :(  And to add insult to injury, when we went to Australia at Christmas, Catherine&#039;s mother and brother both independently exclaimed, &quot;Hey, have you lost weight??&quot; To HER! I was indignant. After the wedding (T-minus 19 days...) I&#039;m going to get back on the wagon and keep at it. Don&#039;t give up!

My one other suggestion is to vary your workouts if you aren&#039;t already. I need to do this more myself, but as I understand it, if you just do the same type of exercise for a long time, your body gets used to it and you get less of a benefit from it. If you can mix it up (row one day, bike another day, lift weights a different day, or even just try different versions of the same exercise) you&#039;ll burn more calories. So I&#039;m told.

You can also take a look at the replies I got to this Ask Metafilter question from some time ago: http://ask.metafilter.com/95342/Im-not-fat-Im-husky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same experience for 2-3 months before Christmas, although instead of trying to lose a specific amount of weight, I was just trying to reduce the size of my gut some noticeable amount. The general benchmark has always been for someone to ask, &#8220;Say, have you lost some weight?&#8221; So I went to the gym 3-4 times a week in the mornings before work. It was pretty painful, I&#8217;m not much of a morning person, and on most days Catherine got to stay in bed while I got up at 6.</p>
<p>Unfortunately it had little effect <img src='http://www.geebobg.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   And to add insult to injury, when we went to Australia at Christmas, Catherine&#8217;s mother and brother both independently exclaimed, &#8220;Hey, have you lost weight??&#8221; To HER! I was indignant. After the wedding (T-minus 19 days&#8230;) I&#8217;m going to get back on the wagon and keep at it. Don&#8217;t give up!</p>
<p>My one other suggestion is to vary your workouts if you aren&#8217;t already. I need to do this more myself, but as I understand it, if you just do the same type of exercise for a long time, your body gets used to it and you get less of a benefit from it. If you can mix it up (row one day, bike another day, lift weights a different day, or even just try different versions of the same exercise) you&#8217;ll burn more calories. So I&#8217;m told.</p>
<p>You can also take a look at the replies I got to this Ask Metafilter question from some time ago: <a href="http://ask.metafilter.com/95342/Im-not-fat-Im-husky" rel="nofollow">http://ask.metafilter.com/95342/Im-not-fat-Im-husky</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Thermody-nom-ics by Ben Liblit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Liblit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you&#039;re turning fat into muscle?

In a spooky coincidence, last night I dreamed that you edged me out in a footrace.  Hmm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you&#8217;re turning fat into muscle?</p>
<p>In a spooky coincidence, last night I dreamed that you edged me out in a footrace.  Hmm!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A most ingenious paradox by bobg</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and proud of it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and proud of it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A most ingenious paradox by zanblogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>zanblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you = math nerd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you = math nerd</p>
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		<title>Comment on The exegesis strikes back by bobg</title>
		<link>http://www.geebobg.com/2007/05/03/the-exegesis-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-5958</link>
		<dc:creator>bobg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you had confined your criticism of my article to the facts and shown a degree of courtesy in doing so, as is routinely done by those whose mothers have given them a proper upbringing, then I would have been only too happy to exercise my administrative prerogative on this blog by withholding your comment from publication while privately making you aware of its errors in fact and judgment.  As it is, since you&#039;ve seen fit to call me an idiot and a jackass in as many words, and indirectly some other unpleasant things too (and incidentally to insult country music fans), I am delighted to indulge in a little public humiliation.

For one thing, you have committed an ironic error in logic.  You appear to equate a mistake in one&#039;s &quot;very first point&quot; with mistakes in the other points that follow.  In fact each point in an argument can be true or false independently of the others.  The ironic part is that your points &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; all independently erroneous.

You find fault with my citing of large numbers to prove greatness.  But I find fault with your finding of any such citation.  None exists in this article.

You misread my complaint about the first line of dialogue, saying &quot;luke calling han by his name doesn&#039;t even remotely qualify&quot; (as &#8220;breaking the fourth wall&#8221;).  A closer reading would have revealed that it&#039;s not Luke&#039;s use of Han&#039;s name but his addition of &quot;old buddy&quot; that I found telling.

As to your main point, the meaning of &quot;breaking the fourth wall,&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_fourth_wall&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the very reference you supply&lt;/a&gt; makes clear that a fictional character addressing the audience directly is merely &lt;em&gt;one example&lt;/em&gt; of breaking the fourth wall:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The term also applies to the boundary between any fictional setting and its audience. When this boundary is &quot;broken&quot; (&lt;b&gt;for example&lt;/b&gt; by an actor speaking to the audience directly through the camera in a television program or film), it is called &quot;breaking the fourth wall.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(Emphasis added.)  By implication, there are other ways.  This is made more explicit by the definition of breaking the fourth wall that &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; linked to (indirectly, via an intermediate blog post), &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wordspy.com/words/breakingthefourthwall.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from Word Spy&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
When a fictional character shows awareness of both the medium in which they &quot;exist&quot; and the audience watching (or reading) that medium.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Shows awareness.&quot;  I wrote that Luke speaks a particular line in a particular way that a normal person in a normal setting never would.  The only explanation I can concoct for &lt;i&gt;Empire&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; odd first line of dialogue -- and I&#039;m open to other suggestions that aren&#039;t ad hominem attacks or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;other logical fallacies&lt;/a&gt; -- is that Luke is aware of Han&#039;s long absence &lt;em&gt;from the audience&lt;/em&gt;, which does indeed qualify as breaking the fourth wall.

If it&#039;s all the same to you I&#039;ll continue my blogging career, such as it is.  It may not pay much, but as opportunities to school the likes of you show, there are other rewards besides money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you had confined your criticism of my article to the facts and shown a degree of courtesy in doing so, as is routinely done by those whose mothers have given them a proper upbringing, then I would have been only too happy to exercise my administrative prerogative on this blog by withholding your comment from publication while privately making you aware of its errors in fact and judgment.  As it is, since you&#8217;ve seen fit to call me an idiot and a jackass in as many words, and indirectly some other unpleasant things too (and incidentally to insult country music fans), I am delighted to indulge in a little public humiliation.</p>
<p>For one thing, you have committed an ironic error in logic.  You appear to equate a mistake in one&#8217;s &#8220;very first point&#8221; with mistakes in the other points that follow.  In fact each point in an argument can be true or false independently of the others.  The ironic part is that your points <em>are</em> all independently erroneous.</p>
<p>You find fault with my citing of large numbers to prove greatness.  But I find fault with your finding of any such citation.  None exists in this article.</p>
<p>You misread my complaint about the first line of dialogue, saying &#8220;luke calling han by his name doesn&#8217;t even remotely qualify&#8221; (as &ldquo;breaking the fourth wall&rdquo;).  A closer reading would have revealed that it&#8217;s not Luke&#8217;s use of Han&#8217;s name but his addition of &#8220;old buddy&#8221; that I found telling.</p>
<p>As to your main point, the meaning of &#8220;breaking the fourth wall,&#8221; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_fourth_wall" rel="nofollow">the very reference you supply</a> makes clear that a fictional character addressing the audience directly is merely <em>one example</em> of breaking the fourth wall:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The term also applies to the boundary between any fictional setting and its audience. When this boundary is &#8220;broken&#8221; (<b>for example</b> by an actor speaking to the audience directly through the camera in a television program or film), it is called &#8220;breaking the fourth wall.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>(Emphasis added.)  By implication, there are other ways.  This is made more explicit by the definition of breaking the fourth wall that <em>I</em> linked to (indirectly, via an intermediate blog post), <a href="http://www.wordspy.com/words/breakingthefourthwall.asp" rel="nofollow">from Word Spy</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
When a fictional character shows awareness of both the medium in which they &#8220;exist&#8221; and the audience watching (or reading) that medium.
</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Shows awareness.&#8221;  I wrote that Luke speaks a particular line in a particular way that a normal person in a normal setting never would.  The only explanation I can concoct for <i>Empire&#8217;s</i> odd first line of dialogue &#8212; and I&#8217;m open to other suggestions that aren&#8217;t ad hominem attacks or <a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/" rel="nofollow">other logical fallacies</a> &#8212; is that Luke is aware of Han&#8217;s long absence <em>from the audience</em>, which does indeed qualify as breaking the fourth wall.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s all the same to you I&#8217;ll continue my blogging career, such as it is.  It may not pay much, but as opportunities to school the likes of you show, there are other rewards besides money.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The exegesis strikes back by uranidiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>uranidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, there is no use arguing opinion, everyone is entitled to have one.  also, citing large numbers of fans as evidence of one&#039;s greatness is faulty, just look at country music.  that being said, when someone&#039;s very first point used to support their opinion instead reveals their own ignorance of the subject, that someone obviously thinks they&#039;re smarter than they truly are.  the fourth wall, jackass, is broken when an actor speaks directly to the audience.  luke calling han by his name doesn&#039;t even remotely qualify.  you need to re-think your career as a blogger.

uranidiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_fourth_wall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, there is no use arguing opinion, everyone is entitled to have one.  also, citing large numbers of fans as evidence of one&#8217;s greatness is faulty, just look at country music.  that being said, when someone&#8217;s very first point used to support their opinion instead reveals their own ignorance of the subject, that someone obviously thinks they&#8217;re smarter than they truly are.  the fourth wall, jackass, is broken when an actor speaks directly to the audience.  luke calling han by his name doesn&#8217;t even remotely qualify.  you need to re-think your career as a blogger.</p>
<p>uranidiot.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_fourth_wall" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_fourth_wall</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Today I am a man&#8230; for thirty years by shades55</title>
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		<dc:creator>shades55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First here is a picture of the wailing wall sign-in board.

&lt;img class=&quot;centered&quot; src=&quot;http://www.emphatic.com/bobg/wailing-wall.jpg&quot;/&gt;

Next I have to make some corrections.

The rabbi wanted your bar mitzvah to happen in 1980 when you would have been 14 years old.  I pleaded with him to allow you to have it in 1979 when you would still be 13 and not be embarrassed in front of your friends.  He finally agreed providing you make a commitment to continue your religious training for one whole year after your bar mitzvah.  You made that promise and kept it!  You studied the Torah and were confirmed one year after your bar mitzvah.  Mommy and I were very proud of you.  You were so into it that we dubbed you “Captain Rabbi” and gave you a tee shirt with that name on the front!

The name of the musician that came to the house to show us some demo tapes was Lloyd.  He was a drummer and was representing Lee Myles.  When he showed us the tape of The Lee Myles Trio I was amazed to see that Lee Myles, who sang and played guitar was my cousin Marty Hirsch!  I had not seen Marty for over twenty years.  In 1957 I was playing conga with his band.  We played a couple of weddings but did not get a gig in The Catskills that we had auditioned for.
I did in fact hire The Lee Myles Trio for your bar mitzvah, instructing Lloyd not to tell Marty (Lee) who the job was for.  When Marty showed up for the gig he was floored when he saw me!  I sat in with my conga drum and had a ball playing with my cousin Marty at my son’s bar mitzvah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First here is a picture of the wailing wall sign-in board.</p>
<p><img class="centered" src="http://www.emphatic.com/bobg/wailing-wall.jpg"/></p>
<p>Next I have to make some corrections.</p>
<p>The rabbi wanted your bar mitzvah to happen in 1980 when you would have been 14 years old.  I pleaded with him to allow you to have it in 1979 when you would still be 13 and not be embarrassed in front of your friends.  He finally agreed providing you make a commitment to continue your religious training for one whole year after your bar mitzvah.  You made that promise and kept it!  You studied the Torah and were confirmed one year after your bar mitzvah.  Mommy and I were very proud of you.  You were so into it that we dubbed you “Captain Rabbi” and gave you a tee shirt with that name on the front!</p>
<p>The name of the musician that came to the house to show us some demo tapes was Lloyd.  He was a drummer and was representing Lee Myles.  When he showed us the tape of The Lee Myles Trio I was amazed to see that Lee Myles, who sang and played guitar was my cousin Marty Hirsch!  I had not seen Marty for over twenty years.  In 1957 I was playing conga with his band.  We played a couple of weddings but did not get a gig in The Catskills that we had auditioned for.<br />
I did in fact hire The Lee Myles Trio for your bar mitzvah, instructing Lloyd not to tell Marty (Lee) who the job was for.  When Marty showed up for the gig he was floored when he saw me!  I sat in with my conga drum and had a ball playing with my cousin Marty at my son’s bar mitzvah!</p>
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